Sunday, August 14, 2022

Moving On Time?

Football is indeed a funny old game.
In a year of pandemic misery our national sport has lifted the spirits of a tired and cynical nation.
Dominic Cummings is leaving number 10, the Brexit deal hasn’t been done, lockdown is on the horizon in the West of Scotland, etc. BUT all we want to do is talk about and relive our team finally doing the business.

For once lady luck came down on our side.

If we been the team to miss our last penalty and had the Serbians scored then Serbian Football would be £10million plus better off and it would be their team heading for Hampden and Wembley.

We’d still be in the doldrums and a Pandemic-accelerated financial basket case.

Scotland is now in their first finals since France 1998 and the nation is smiling and talking positively.

There is no doubt that Steve Clarke’s influence has been huge and we all owe him a real debt especially the bean counters at Hampden who must have been hiding behind their settees hiding their eyes through extra time and into the shoot-out.

Scotland is playing more like a club team with a binding spirit rather than a group of individuals who have just met, are there for the match fee and want to stay in their previous cliques.

The dark side is never far away though.
Overconfidence is always an issue when Scotland wins a few games.

Journalists are now filling pages talking about our 9 game unbeaten run and digging up statistics from the past about what 10 in a row would mean.

The fact that since we got humped 4-0 by Russia we’ve been playing second and third level teams rather than the big boys is somehow never mentioned as a counterbalance.

That we have qualified after 2 penalty shoot outs with a statistically unlikely 10 out of 10 consecutive strikes is put down to practicing penalty taking better than Israel and Serbia.

The two games in the next 4 days might extend our run or not – it doesn’t really matter.

We have the big prize for now and qualified against the odds.
Records will show the much higher ranked Norway and Serbia teams will be at home.

Ok we’ll be at home too but playing at Hampden and Wembalee.

Scottish Football on the park has rediscovered and is redefining teamwork.

Nothing else in our game or set up has changed
(That is a discussion for many another day though).

The success of our team is to a great extent serendipitous.

It’s not something anyone in a suit at Hampden has facilitated or can take credit for outside of hiring Mr Clarke who as Chic was telling us yesterday was the obvious candidate.

The right manager, Steve has gathered a promising group of players and with them negotiated a series of testing challenges.
The stark reality is sometimes the recent games have been painful to watch but progress in baby steps has been noticeable and we genuinely played well against the more fancied Serbia.

Teamwork has been our bedrock.

Teamwork that has been missing for a long time in our international set up and I would argue throughout our game behind the scenes.

Yes we lost a silly goal at the death but Serbia is some 15 places above us in the FIFA rankings and on the night we were by far the better side.
The same Serbian team that had just returned from Oslo having taken apart the much-vaunted Norwegian side.

Steve Clarke has been the catalyst that has facilitated the unforeseen move from Scotland being a team of self-interested individuals into one with the team spirit.

Yes Steve We Can Boogie.

The Scottish team has moved on and the future is brighter on the international stage.

I understand too why many previously ardent Scots fans had distanced themselves from the team as a personal protest against The SFA and their actions over the last few years.
I get that.
But listening to Ryan and Andy and Lyndon and Steve was enough to demonstrate that these guys are playing for the country and their folks back home and not the blazers or the system.
I buy into their passion and that alone is enough to bring even the stubbornest fans back aboard.

When Big Pink asked me to write a blog about the future of this site a couple of weeks back I said I would like to lurk for a few weeks and do some digging.

I have lurked and gone even further back too.

Top line is the SFM blog is not what it was but you all know that.

Here is Some Feedback

Bit by bit; imperceptibly over the months and years the site has entrenched into the home of the anger and the facts against what John Clark has come to call “The Big Lie”.
Its about how the authorities dealt with the financial collapse of Rangers and set the scene for a series of mayhemic events since.

It’s a big Scottish football story and a good insight into how the game managed itself

But other things have been happening since and football has broken out.

One of you said just yesterday
“This site has become a single issue site only becoming alive when something IBROX is current”.

That is partially true and is something to address because it diminishes what this site can achieve.

The number of posters has eroded since the RTC days and the number of clubs represented by posters has also diminished. The site was always a little Celtic minded but open and welcoming of all clubs at the same time.

Some of that goodwill leaked away in this summer’s SPFL pantomime season when self-interest and the quest for 10 became a subconscious position for some of your group.

The level of politeness and the moderation on the site has however remained a huge asset and is almost unique.

This openness has led recently to one serial troll reappearing after several previous monikers and he/she/they have been playing games with several well know posters. The resultant “dancing on a head of a pin” conversations are not so much “Monitoring Scottish Football” as “doing people’s heads in” and this episode has not helped.
That being said I wish salmon were as easy to hook as some on here.

I don’t think there are enough Headline Blogs like this one and in the past I’ve been told many new blogs are simply skimmed politely and ignored as the discussion reverts to the ongoing various fall outs of the consequences of the infamous secret 5 way agreement and all that has ensued following that particular monumental administrative cock up.

I well remember too and liked Stunney and his papers every morning and even though most of what is written in the back pages of the red tops is there to fill space it was still fun to read.

At the same time there has been so much going on that would have benefitted from the forensic discussion that SFM posters brought to the party.
The court reporting by John Clark, EasyJambo and others has been quite dogged, incredibly insightful and shown up the media on many an occasion.

As the subjects under discussion on SFM became narrower I think the site stopped attracting new blood and also accelerated the departure of valued posters.

The diminishing site then became easier for serial disrupters to play with and the ever-decreasing circles metaphor has probably become a reality.

Finally, the adverts on the site that appeared, as if by magic, a few years ago do not deliver enough revenue to justify the inconvenience to readers.
I can’t read the site on my phone without clicking into people trying to sell me stuff I have no interest in.

That’s just a summary of my views as someone who values what this site has brought over the years.

Is it Time for a Reboot at SFM?

I’d say yes and here are a few suggestions to get you thinking and to start a discussion ahead of Big P and his monitors taking some decisions.

Scottish Football needs an independent conscience.

Scottish Football will be the stronger for it.

SFM can be a huge part of that.

Not all fans will want to be part of it because many just want to support their teams and that is fair enough but without a fan voice and without real analysis of what is really going on all that will happen is we’ll get more of the same that took us into the football wilderness.

And without the right changes even Steve Clarke will run out of steam one day when the penalty gods favour some other side.

So here are 5 ideas for SFM to consider

1 A Regular Blog
This doesn’t have to be written for us like in the past– it can just be a weekly news pick that we highlight to set a discussion agenda.

2 The Creation of a John Clark Wall where we hold the facts about the run up to and the creation of his “big lie”.
Set it all our logically and leave it alone for a future date.
It won’t go away because the action created issues for everyone involved.
It should be constructed for all fans with no jelly and ice cream flavouring.

This action would makes SFM the experts and place to go to read what really happened, helps get that monkey off everyone’s back and can be revisited every February 14th or when something turns up.
It might throw more light too in why we are rejoicing about Scotland getting a £10M windfall from qualifying while nobody is talking about the £80M court case costs heading our way as a nation.
All out of a secret 5 way construct back in 2012 and good for nobody whoever you support.

In the meantime SFM should broaden the discussion on other areas like the dropping of the pyramid, the secrecy inherent at the SFA, SPFL and their JRG, Strict Liability, etc. etc. etc.

3 The return of likes for posts that are good or if you agree but with a difference.
I occasionally post on another site which is free to read for anyone but if you want to post or like another post you have to be registered and all likes show the name of the person who has posted.

4 A consideration for different threads at the same time.

5 No ads.
Sponsorship is fine and banner ads for sponsors too but no commercial links that wheech you off to pastures unknown.

Evolution rather than Revolution

I look forward to the debate and to working with Big Pink and his team.
As chair of the largest Scottish group of fans the SFSA (If you’re not a member please join) I know that the only certainty is that fans will never agree about everything or sometimes even anything.

The tribal and competitive nature of football sets us against each other and causes divisions and disagreements that can become entrenched.
Some would say that is part of the fun of it all.

That being said we do generally agree and care deeply about the following.
We want vision, leadership and most of all fairness and transparency.

All alien words in our game as is.

OK Scotland has qualified for a major championship but our game is still locked in a self-interest framed self-imposed wrestling hold and the fact is that escape will never happen without change.

SFM and SFSA can both be part of that.

Andrew Smith
Andrew is the chairman of The Scottish Football Supporters Association Scotland’s Independent fans Association. An ex semi-pro footballer with two resultant artificial hips after too many slide tackles Andrew legitimately supports at least 4 of our senior clubs.

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  1. J.J agreed: and who knows the full impact of covid on transfer fees – and the duration of any depressed transfer market.

    I didn't read the full RIFC Annual Report or the full AGM notes, so may have missed it, but;

    It makes sense for Robertson to state that a couple of players need selling each year: seems to have worked OK for CFC in recent years.

    But, for a cash strapped club in the middle of a pandemic with few, young sellable stars in the squad – you'd think Robertson would be shouting loud about cost cutting…

    except TRFC is desperate to stop 10IAR.

    TRFC should be focused on short-term cost-cutting measures to counter the immediate Going Concern risks.

    To state the bleedin' obvious.  indecision

    Choosing to focus on winning the SPL title rather than focusing on survival is RIFC's choice to make.

    …as our incompetent SFA blazers look on gormlessly… again.

    If Robertson had an improved governance body as he claims to want, then the SFA would be asking searching questions of TRFC long before now.


  2. Jingso.Jimsie @ 13:31

    I wonder how many of them have release clauses built into their contracts as is the norm these days . I still believe Morelos has one (according to his agent) and it's not that high .The ridiculous valuations placed on him were aimed at appeasing creditors and attempting to attract investment rather than a serious attempt to sell him at those prices. When you buy an asset on credit then once that asset is sold the credit has to be re-paid and as most of their recent acquisitions still have outstanding payments then the amount of profit available will be limited. Gerrard and his backroom team may generate some compensation if he were to leave but again when you see what Rodgers cost and he has a far better CV then it won't be a great amount. I believe coaching badges are a necessity at EPL level which is another hurdle in the way. 



  3. redlichtie 16th December 2020 at 10:33
    It said it is probing Rangers and Hummel, which manufactures the club’s kit,?
    I thought that was now castore.

  4. ‘Cluster One 16th December 2020 at 19:20

    redlichtie 16th December 2020 at 10:33
    It said it is probing Rangers and Hummel, which manufactures the club’s kit,?
    I thought that was now castore.’


    It is.

    It looks like someone with the initials MJWA has decided that a couple of organisations played fast & loose with an exclusivity agreement that he (or his companies) held concerning the retailing of previous seasons’ replica kits & has involved the regulatory authorities.

    ‘You can check out, but you can never leave…’

  5. StevieBC 16th December 2020 at 11:50



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    Interesting to read that our old DR friend – Keef – has been directed to have a pop at King and his proposed share sale to Club1872.

    Even more interesting is the claim that RIFC had previously offered direct, new shares to Club1872 – but the offer was declined.
    also thinking forward to potential future issues over the next two or three years. We don’t want to come out of this one thinking we have done a great job and put £1million into Rangers and don’t have money in the pot for the next one. Jan 26, 2018.

    Maybe they had nothing left in the pot.
    Bruce Taylor: That is quite important because there will be future share issues and this is not just about raising capital on one occasion. It is about, as Rangers improve and the value of Rangers increases, there will be a need to subscribe more and invest more.

    We, as Club 1872, need to be a strong position to support each one of those share campaigns. We want to protect our members’ investments and donations and show our members that we can do that. That is an important part of Club 1872
    Maybe they don’t think the club has improved enough.
    This time, we have an opportunity to spend £1million again but the difference being is that it goes directly into the club. We are looking to take Club 1872 from being a fans group to major investors so that when the call comes, and they will do through various share issues, we will be there and be ready to invest and step up in the same way as any of the current investors.

    Maybe they thought it was not the best time to step in.
    What we are talking about at Club 1872 is becoming part of the decision making process at the club.
    Maybe they did not want to be part of the decision making.
    LF: The long-term goal has always been 25 per cent, plus one share. I think that supporters understand that fan representation and fan investment go hand in hand so those are our two key goals.

    Maybe they moved the goal posts.
    It is quite frustrating, as Club 1872, to see people say that because this is that vehicle. Particularly over the next couple of years, there is very likely to be another share issue further down the line and when that happens the organisation has to be ready to put the money in. But the fans have to want to do it as well.

    Maybe they were just not ready to put the money in.


    Reading between the lines it looks like King and the other board members did not leave on the best of terms , in fact they sound very much like they have been stabbed in the back . As we know our 4th estate ensure that all stories are cleared for publication before they hit the print button so this is as good as an official board room release. King has effectively emptied the piggy bank of club 1872 and given them a controlling hand in the blue room ( if all goes to plan) . Park and Co may have been relying on that income to cover any shortfall that he and Bennet couldn't fund but I doubt very much they would want the fans to have any degree of power in the running of the business and would have kept their shareholding in single percentage figures and out of the board room. As the (potential) largest shareholders that will be impossible.

    It may just be coincidence that Robertson has warned of player sales before reminding everyone that they are so well backed financially that they really don't have to sell anyone. Park and Bennet may not be so keen to keep filling up the tank when they no longer have control of the steering wheel especially when the replacement driver only has a provisional licence. Winter transfer market is for approx 4 weeks in January but as already pointed out by jj it is a buyers market and any deals done will be by instalment and may not raise significant amounts of immediate liquidity. The other news today that there may be new issues regarding old retail deals cannot have gone down well. I just wonder if Dave King had a degree of responsibility there as well.

  7. Timtim 16th December 2020 at 19:54

    Clearly the King is dead for Keith.

    He has changed sides to the one on which his bread is now buttered.

    To be fair on the current board, King's move was a bit off, even for him. He is trying to milk the fans for all he can, the board are not happy about that because that was an integral part of their plan.

    They are never going to raise the full amount, certainly not quickly, but I believe he has said they can buy his shares in tranches so he could be getting regular payments from them for quite some time. 

  8. Homunculus 16th December 2020 at 20:42′

    “.To be fair on the current board, King’s move was a bit off, even for him.”


    In fairness to King (choke, choke!) his prime motivation has ever been to try to get his original (according to him) £20M investment back

    I suspect that he daily spits blood with rage when he thinks of SDM escaping virtually blame free in all quarters and with his personal monies scarcely affected, while others like King himself took a hit.

    If it was his idea, or if he bought into the idea, of  a fans’ organisation in the shape of a ‘Community Interest Company’ to which he could progressively  sell his shares in such numbers as would eventually  give that ‘Community Interest Company a blocking share of 25% 1 in RIFC plc,  it wasn’t a bad idea.

    It could be ( and seems to have been) easily sold to fans as both as a mark of his ‘concern’ lest another SDM or a Whyte ended up with a majority shareholding that could impose its will without reference to any or all other shareholders, and as the means by which loyal fans could spike the guns of any cabal that might wish to take TRFC down a road or roads that the fans would not welcome. 

    There is little doubt in my mind that King doesn’t give a monkey’s toss about anyone but himself, but glibly and shamelessly uses his undoubted Machiavellian skills to serve his own ends, first, last and all the time while deploying all the canting vocabulary of ‘loyalty’ and ‘participation’ and ‘commitment’  as has been used by generations of  snake-oil salesmen.

    Perhaps the other major investors might begin to worry about the ‘fans on the board’ possibility and what that might mean for them personally as shareholders as opposed to ‘fans’, and decide to get the hell out of a wholly phoney set-up that instead of making them profits,  keeps demanding that they spend the money they have made from their own honest businesses.
    King might have started a trend!


  9. Well, and well away from football entirely, can I say that  the governance body of the sport of Badminton doesn’t mess about when it comes to sports cheating.

    I cite this from an email in my inbox, which has a CAS Media Release 


    “On the basis of the evidence put forward by the parties and by an independent expert, the CAS Panel found the athlete’s assertion of intentional spiking during the 2019 African Badminton World Championships devoid of supporting evidence thereby falling short of a cogent explanation as to how the prohibited substance entered her body.

    Having failed to meet the requisite burden of proof, the Panel rejected Ms. Foo Kune’s theory of sabotage and imposed a two-year period of ineligibility. The results obtained by Kate Jessica Foo Kune during the 2019 African Badminton World Championships remain disqualified.”

    Interesting that the ‘burden of proof ‘ is on the accused!

    Very ‘Napoleonic Code’ sounding,  and that I have to say kind of jars with me.

    Even in the criminal proceedings against people involved in our ‘saga’ there was no expectation that it was for the accused to prove their innocence under the law ,as opposed to the requirement being on the Prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt their guilt!

    Whatever my views and opinions and gut feeling, I still would require that charges of breach of rules or legislation be proved by those making the charges.

    It is, however,  not acceptable that any Sports Governance body should not investigate serious charges in order to establish whether there may be a case to answer!


  10. Timtim 16th December 2020 at 19:54

    “..It may just be coincidence that Robertson has warned of player sales before reminding everyone that they are so well backed financially that they really don’t have to sell..’


    An almost Ratner-like statement!

    Honest to God: as directors of a PLC they are all over the place when it comes to thinking about consistency in their pubic pronouncements ! Have they no one to tell them how not to contradict themselves?

    Have they no notion that, as a PLC, their AGM  deliberations are being viewed not just by loyal fans but by guys even more savvy and devious and resourceful in business than they?

    Perhaps their man Gibson ( Paisley man?) might already be aiming to increase his shareholding to go for a cheap buy-out? and, ultimately, a transformation of ibrox  into a superbly placed transport logistics centre! That’s his main business, after all!

    {we can all be DR/BBC types when it comes to stirring!)broken heart


  11. Just noticed tonight’s kit was a bit different than usual, now the Castore badges may have fallen off but that collar is certainly a different design from what I have seen so far this season . Could the retail issues mentioned earlier be having a larger impact than first thought? Are these kits even registered?  No 5 stars either or sponsors.


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  12. John Clark 17th December 2020 at 00:18


    "Whatever my views and opinions and gut feeling, I still would require that charges of breach of rules or legislation be proved by those making the charges."


    John, I think this is a very interesting case.  As you say, it jars a little when the burden of proof is placed on the accused rather than the accusers.  However, the way I read this was that there was prima facie evidence of an illegal substance in her body.  She has given an explanation as to how it came to be there.  I think in these circumstances, it is right that she come up with the evidence for that excuse. 

    There is a parallel in Scots law if I'm not mistaken.  For example if I were stopped in the street by the polis, searched and they found a big knife on me,  their testimony and production of the knife, is the prima facie evidence that I was carrying an offensive weapon in a public place.   The law as I understand it allows in certain circumstances for someone to be carrying an offensive weapon in public; if it's for a lawful purpose, e.g a police officer's baton or for ceremonial purposes, e.g. a skein dubh (although only dressed in appropriate highland rig) or where there is a reasonable excuse.  If my claim is that I had a reasonable excuse for having the knife on me, the burden of proof, in law, passes to me.  I might explain that I am a butcher and I'm taking the knife home to have it sharpened.  I would then have to gather evidence to prove I was telling the truth.  That evidence would be considered by the Fiscal when considering whether to take proceedings against me although ultimately, it would be for the court to decide whether my excuse was "reasonable."

  13. Nice to see The 2angers squad continuing to self-isolate…………..from silverware.


    A lot of excitement for the fans of the remaining 4 teams who I'm sure will all believe they have a chance of winning.  

  14. As this is the Scottish Football Monitor,

    well done to the Buddies for their epic, totally unexpected Cup win last night.

    Likewise, it's good for the game that Ross County also progressed in the cup with their own big win.

    At least one piece of silverware will be leaving Glasgow this season – which is no bad thing at all, IMO.

  15. Mordecai 17th December 2020 at 06:29

    '…However, the way I read this was that there was prima facie evidence of an illegal substance in her body.  She has given an explanation as to how it came to be there."


    Thank you for that, Mordecai.

    I take the (knife)point you make by your analogy with the offence of carrying an offensive weapon!


  16. Timtim 17th December 2020 at 11:59


    Could you provide a link to the source of that so that it can be more easily read? Ta.

  17. So Club (IQ) 18-72 have less than 5% of the shareholding. Does anyone know how many blue pounds they have spent to get there? You have to pity them……like those Russian dancing bears…  

  18. How to make a small fortune out of being Chairman of a business that operates a football club:

    Start with a large fortune & watch it be nibbled away by WATP-induced vanity & hubris.


    If Club1872 paid twenty pence for each of their 16,202,838 shares, that’s a minimum of £3,240,567.60. 

    I don’t think that all their holdings were bought at that price-point though, with some tranches being more costly.

  19. Update on our migration process. We've decided to provide a forum for fans of all clubs as sub-forums on the new site.

    Of course, volunteers for moderation would be good 🙂

    Won't be a lot at first (I'll set up the top division clubs and add any by request), but hopefully the seed will grow.

    There is an increasing spotlight in off the filed matters. Governance of the game, the continuing shenanigans at Ibrox, and of course the ever-growing disconnect with fans at Parkhead and elsewhere. 

    Also, the Covid crisis has set up new challenges for clubs who are already in flux. Often that kind of stuff becomes club-specific, and hopefully the new design will accommodate that.

    Still on course for early January. Any suggestions/offers of assistance are welcome.

  20. StevieBC

    I believe the recent Ross County result was due to 'quintuple' being a very inelegant use of language

  21. Jingso.Jimsie 17th December 2020 at 14:23

    If Club1872 paid twenty pence for each of their 16,202,838 shares, that’s a minimum of £3,240,567.60. 

    I don’t think that all their holdings were bought at that price-point though, with some tranches being more costly.


    Were they not one of the mugs who bought Ashleys holding at 28p?. I also thought they had thrown other money into the pot not used to buy shares, or was this a loan, later converted to confetti, rather than a donation?


    If only 30,000 of them had chipped in £200 each, they could have outbid Ol Big Hands Charlie, for the whole shebang. Although to be fair, being the highest bidder might not have carried any weight in the "twilight zone" bidding/sale/purchase process.  

  22. Two former administrators of #Rangers have now settled their case against the Crown after admission their arrests in fraud trial were ‘malicious’. It follows another settlement against Police Scotland. It will cost taxpayer many millions of pounds. Others still to settle.
    Dec 17, 2020
    The ibrox debacle has cost the public millions upon millions and the ibrox club still have no shame about the cost and damage they left in their wake.

  23. John Clark 16th December 2020 at 23:01



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    Homunculus 16th December 2020 at 20:42′

    “.To be fair on the current board, King’s move was a bit off, even for him.”


    In fairness to King (choke, choke!) his prime motivation has ever been to try to get his original (according to him) £20M investment back
    And he has vowed to sue Sir David’s Murray Group firm to claw back the
    £20million he put into the club in 2001 under the steel tycoon’s watch,
    claiming Sir David duped him over Rangers’ financial situation.

    King, 55, said: “I have made a claim of £20million on the basis of
    non-disclosure by the then chairman, David Murray, of Rangers’ true
    financial position as far back as 2000.
    “Other shareholders may feel deceived like I do and wish to take similar

    He added that if he wins his action against Sir David he will plough the cash
    back into a newly-formed Rangers.

    King said: “I want to advise the fans and fellow shareholders that any benefit
    I receive from my claim will be fully reinvested into the restructured
    football club.

    “I am 100 per cent committed to Rangers and will do whatever I can to advance
    their interests.”

    King was equally bitter over Whyte’s handling of the club.
    Can’t be long now until king ploughs the cash
    back into a newly-formed Rangers.

  24. Big Pink 17th December 2020 at 14:34

    Update on our migration process. We've decided to provide a forum for fans of all clubs as sub-forums on the new site.


    Sounds good. Looking forward to engaging on the site again. 

  25. ClusterOne@18.09 yesterday 

    The late Ian Archer’s description of Rangers being a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace springs to mind here. 
    I’ve not commented much lately but the current moves to sell DK’s shares aptly demonstrates that cash is King and King is all about the cash.

  26. Corrupt official 18th December 2020 at 10:29


    The strips are made by Castore and their logo is on the jersey but it’s also blue so that makes it difficult to see. So it is an official product and it’s available on the club website. 

    I think it looks quite smart but at an eye watering £68 seems expensive. Don’t know what the cost of a football top is these days. Looks like it’s sold out in most sizes so has been pretty popular. 


    page 65 covers the relevant rules re kit but as is usual with the rules it leaves room for interpretation and a get out of jail free card with the "unless approved by the board" . It specifies colour of kit so a blue top may be a blue top regardless of the colour of the collar . A couple of years ago they did turn up and play a European away game in a red training top and got away with it so I doubt very much that anything will come of this. The lack of sponsors logo may be a different matter , having paid for advertising for it not to appear may constitute a breach of contract but that will be a matter between the parties concerned. Showcasing the new retro top to boost sales just before Christmas may have been their priority.  

  28. I read somewhere that TRFC said that the intention was always to wear the unadorned, vintage-style top in the two domestic cup competitions this season. Their (several) shirt-sponsors were apparently quite happy with this.

    It wasn't worn against Falkirk because of a colour-clash. The white strip that was worn for that match featured the usual sponsors's names.

    Odd, isn't it?

  29. Corrupt official 18th December 2020 at 12:43


    There was an announcement months ago about the retro style strip, complete with the obligatory trolling about history, and the sponsors were on board with the idea.

    Doesn’t appear to be anything going on here and as another poster said it was probably just an opportunity to showcase the top to grab some extra Xmas sales. That could have went better. 

    A similar scenario might be when a team wears next seasons strip in the Scottish cup final. This top won’t be making an appearance in the league cup final but you know what I mean. 

  30. StevieBC 17th December 2020 at 10:09

    As this is the Scottish Football Monitor,

    well done to the Buddies for their epic, totally unexpected Cup win last night.

    Likewise, it’s good for the game that Ross County also progressed in the cup with their own big win.

    At least one piece of silverware will be leaving Glasgow this season – which is no bad thing at all, IMO.


    Thank you for the totally unexpected reference on here about there being TWO teams playing in that match!

    However, as Saints had been on an undefeated run of 9 (now 10) matches – among Buddies there was a big expectation of getting such a positive result.

    This has looked like an impressive group of players for a while, talented and hard-working.  J Goodwin has at last got them playing as a cohesive team.  As the response the late equaliser showed.

    It has to be said that Lady Luck played her part when Dallas got ill and the opposition had to play with a man short.

    Barring any more arbitrary docking of points by the impotents in charge of Scottish fitba, we believe it may be an amazing year of not contesting relegation yet again.

    It IS positive that the silverware will not be staying Glasgow.  The Bookies seem sure it on’t be going to Paisley as Saints are 10/1 for the cup, whereas Livvy are 9/4.

  31. Scottish clubs face ‘radical change’ as Brexit changes signing rules for EU players – BBC Sport


    Could be a major change! Heading for some kind of points based system although the SFA/SPFL are apparently trying to make the rules different in Scotland. I would imagine Celtic and Rangers* would be looking for a lower threshold than applies to the EPL so that they can continue with the buy low and sell on strategy? My initial thoughts (assuming the rules are GB wide) are:

    1. Home grown talent would get a better chance? and therefor help the National team (I know some on here don’t give a toss about that).
    2. “Might” help narrow the financial gap between the 2 and the rest (if the business model is more difficult to succeed)? and so “might” make the league more competitive.
    3. The 2 would probably find a way round it anyway!!

    Interested to hear views.



  32. incredibleadamspark 18th December 2020 at 11:00

    '..The strips are made by Castore..'


    Not being a businessman of any kind, I'm still unclear about the actual manufacturing of the Castore brand products.

    There appears to be no manufacturing company named 'Castore Ltd' ( even though the wikipedia entry for 'Castore'  (that shows the logo) refers to 'Castore manufacturers'

    The two boys who created  and own the brand are the  directors of the 'J Carter Sporting Club Ltd ', which has 33 shareholders in all, a number of them Venture Capitalists.

    But that company has only 15 employees!  

    Would that number of employees be able to manufacture the volumes of items of kit that would be expected to generate deals worth £25M or more with football and other sports clubs?

    If not, can we find out which companies are actually franchised to manufacture the gear?

    I'm genuinely intrigued , with no reference to the fact that TRFC has a deal with 'Castore'

  33. John Clark 18th December 2020 at 18:41

    If I remember correctly there was a whole load of discussion wih regards the quality of some of the items and it turned out some was made in China, some was made in India and I think some was made in Europe, I have no idea which manufacturer actually made the stuff but I suspect it was just factories who were able to produce what was required so long as they were given the materials and the patterns.

    I don't think that's too unusual but I have no experience in the field. 

  34. bordersdon 18th December 2020 at 16:46

    '..(assuming the rules are GB wide)..'


    As far as I know, bordersdon, the Home Office rules are UK-wide.

     Wales , Scotland and  Nor'n Ireland , although having internationally recognised distinct and separate Football governance bodies  appear not to have any power under the devolution settlements (or the equivalent) to derogate from them.

    That builds in a kind of discrimination in favour of the wealthy end of English football, I would imagine, since the assumption must be that players qualifying for the 15 points would likely be pricier than even the richest clubs in the three devolved administrations could afford .

    One does not have be politically Nationalist to imagine that some wee English Nats in the Home Office might be at the madam.broken heart

    Hope Jeane Freeman MS backs anything that the SFA has to say

  35. bordersdon 18th December 2020 at 16:46
    “Might” help narrow the financial gap between the 2 and the rest (if the business model is more difficult to succeed)? and so “might” make the league more competitive.
    Would buy the best talent from the clubs in the same league.

  36. Homunculus 18th December 2020 at 21:26

    '..there was a whole load of discussion wih regards the quality of some of the items and it turned out some was made in China, some was made in India and I think some was made in Europe..'


    Gosh, I remember that now; and wondering how Castore could , without pretty immediate access to the production lines) guarantee the much-vaunted innovative quality of their stuff (as described on their 'about us' ) page on the web.

    It seems strange to claim to be 'manufacturers' if all you've done is let someone make things to your  design!

    I'm prompted to ask whether SDI , JD and  the many other big and not so big names in sportswear  actually all use the same manufacturers? 

    There's a whole world of commerce and business that I'm beginning ,in my closing years, to wish that I had known something about!

    Mind you, ever since I discovered that my life assurance 'adviser'  got the first two years worth of premiums on the policies he sold me, I've been distrustful of 'business' and those involved.

    No! I tell a lie: my distrust goes back to the 1960s when I was turned down for a job with AG Barr, then of Parkhead Cross!

    Just the other week, as it happens, I looked up 'Scotlandspeople' to see if the then arrogant sod who 'interviewed' me at that time had died over the years since! He was maybe 10 or 12 years older than I, so he probably has. 

    No harm to him, but maybe he now knows what a great man he missed, God rest him!broken heart

    Club Statement
    By James Stout
    2 hours ago
    Share via
    Scottish FA Disciplinary Tribunal

    Following our Scottish Cup 2nd Preliminary Round tie with Hill of Beath Hawthorn on Saturday 12 December, The Club was made aware that one of the opposition players was potentially ineligible and should have been serving a suspension. The Club raised this matter with the Scottish FA on Monday morning and asked them to investigate.

    The Club received an email late this afternoon from The Scottish FA to inform us that a Disciplinary Tribunal met this afternoon and has censured Hill of Beath Hawthorn and issued a £2,000 fine, which is suspended until the end of the 2020/21 season.

    The Club finds this outcome baffling and inconsistent with The Scottish FA’s own rules for the competition and previous sanctions where a club has been found to have fielded an ineligible player.

    As far as The Club can ascertain, regardless of circumstances, the Judicial Panel Protocol is clear that there is a mandatory ejection from The Scottish Cup for fielding an ineligible player (Rule 303, associated with Scottish Cup Rule 12).

    To further compound our sense of injustice, the tribunal has reinstated the players suspension, resulting in the player missing the next round of The Scottish Cup.

    Our supporters can be rest assured that The Club are raising this matter directly with The Scottish FA as a matter of urgency and will provide an update as and when they see fit to respond. The Club has however, been told that we have no right of appeal.
    I’m sure there is a sandy Bryson rule somewhere

  38. bigboab1916 18th December 2020 at 19:34

    '..Cup tops the lot..'


    Cleverly ambiguous wording of the description matches the misleading words of the IPO prospectus!

    "This Castore Rangers Cup Goalkeeper Shirt 2020 2021"

    One would be led to believe that this shirt was the shirt-type worn by the goalie of the winners of a cup in season 2020-21, which will not now be the case

    Was a shirt of that design worn at all by whoever was in goal for TRFC in the Bet-Fred cup competition out of which they were knocked by St Mirren?

    Now, I don't blame TRFC or whomever for making ordinary advance commercial preparations, but to go online as if it were a foregone conclusion that a cup would be won?

    Or is  that Ashley taking the piss?


  39. Cluster One 18th December 2020 at 22:46

    “..I’m sure there is a sandy Bryson rule somewhere.’


    The Bryson ‘Alice-in-Wonderland’ nonsensical interpretation  was as eagerly welcomed at the LNS tribunal as the nonsense that TRFC (aged 8) is Rangers of 1872 was ,by the 5-Way Agreement liars.

    I suspect, though, that Whitehill Welfare are not as important enough in the eyes of men of no integrity and truth as were SDM’s Rangers. 

    Those men have a lot to answer for.

    [ I may have mentioned , long time ago, that one of my sons claimed a degree of ‘fame’ for having played against the   Whitehill Welfare team player who had played against Pierre van Hooijonk when Whitehill played Celtic not long before]

  40. ReasonableChap

    John Clark.


    Res12 was ended by agreement with The Board on the condition that they take take over the task of challenging the SFA  in respect of the  abandonment of the Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal investigating breaches of UEFA FPP in 2011.

    That is why Celtic  said Res12 was unecessary because all the evidence that would have been gathered had Res12 been passed in 2013, has been. (and sits with the UEFA integrity Unit since May  and July 2020 focussing not so much on Rangers but the SFA. The media havent picked up on that but it's a fact .

    That evidence not only demonstrates the UEFA licence was granted under false pretence but in the delving  more evidence of Celtic lying to shareholders has been gathered too, on a large scale re LNS.

    You have pointed out Mr Chap the consequences of Celtic not acting as promise at an AGM in writing (that was insisted upon)  which is that unless they do, they will be asking supporters,  and not just Celtic ones, to pay for a game where the rules that make it a sport no longer apply, to the benefit of the club who from 2000 have been in breach of the rule that requires them to act in good  faith to fellow member clubs.

    The charge that LNS should have been asked to rule on not registration of players, which was premature, especially if SFA already had the evidence in shape of HMRC correspondence that the good faith rule had been broken, and there is reason to believe they had, especially with Campbell Ogilvie working in the SFA since 2005.

    That no timeframe was stated in the Board's response was immediately picked up and Celtic were asked to set one and at AGM refused, and went off script from the actual AGM notice.

    In doing so in the AGM notice they have said we will deal with the abandonment of the judicial process thus  Res12 is not necessary, but in not dealing with it timeosly they have created a moral dilemma as in how can they ask supporters to renew STs for a game they have admitted has questions over its integrity? Snooker.

    Any Celtic supporter would be entitled to ask before renewing can you assure me the rules that provide a discipline to the game will be applied or will they be subject to commercial considerations as happened under the 5 Way Agreement.

    Celtic supporters should not have to ask that question. The assurances should be given by say end March 2021 by Celtic.

    The Board may double down on renewing being automatic, but not if the evidence accumulated pointing to  when they could have acted effectively becomes known.

    That is the transparency bit, accountability comes next if the Celtic support at large decide they want it, which is where CST come in.

    There is also a question if shareholders rights were being observed during the Res12 saga and if Directors responsibilities were adhered to.

    Both take the matter away from the Res12 folk and over to the Celtic support at large in 'not will John Clark stand for it' but will Celtic supporters stand for being lied to by Celtic since 2013 to protect Rangers (for commercial reasons or as Celtic put it, in The Company's interests)

    The Celtic Supporters Trust are growing in numbers, which will grow even further if they pick up the baton Res12 passed on and if the Celtic support want them too.

    The supporters of every senior club in Scotland should take an interest as they too are being asked to pay for a game where there is no question that the current model they pay to watch is corrupt by its very nature.

    Had it not been so, Rangers would never have died, so Rangers fans have a vested  interest too  in getting answers then solutions.

    Then we can get all move on  to  watching our game with the toxicity removed, integrity and trust restored.

    Something I think most supporters and SFSA members would welcome. 😉

  41. John Clark 18th December at 18:41


    I think the correct term would possibly be “supplied” rather than “made” if that’s not indulging in semantics too much. I don’t think there is any great mystery here. Most things are outsourced in a global capitalist economy. The component parts of your phone, PC, tablet, TV, car, clothes, trainers…. are manufactured all over the world and not necessarily by whatever company puts its name to the finished product. 

    Apropos of nothing in particular Castore supply kit to the West Indies cricket team, have a deal with the England rugby union captain, McLaren F1 team and will possibly supply Wolves with their kit next season. Not to mention their association with Andy Murray. 


  42. Schadenfreude!

    I note that Andrew Bailey ( to whom I wrote about the FCA's potential breach of statute when it authorised  the seemingly misleading  Prospectus issued by RIFC plc in connection with that company's IPO) is in a pickle of bother:

    from the report in the 'Daily Mail online' earlier today I extract this:

    "What we now know from scrutiny of the small print is that in his dealings with the author Dame Elizabeth Gloster, a former Court of Appeal judge, Bailey sought to have his name and those of fellow senior executives anonymised.

    His demand may have been to protect colleagues. But it cannot fail to leave behind the stench of an attempted cover-up. 

    Needless to say, Dame Elizabeth ignored his pleas. What makes his position potentially precarious is the current FCA probe into the collapse of Woodford's empire which has led to heavy losses for 300,000 savers as well as the pension fund of Kent County Council" 


    "..This week's report, led by former Court of Appeal Judge Dame Elizabeth Gloster, held Mr Bailey personally responsible for failings at the FCA"

     this will get you to the internet links for the full article

     Andrew Bailey bid to calm saving scandal storm may cause MORE trouble

    It was while Bailey was in charge of the FCA that my complaint that the FCA may have been  in breach of its statutory duty when it  authorised what I believe  was the  misleading Prospectus issued by RIFC plc in connection with its IPO in 2012.

    That complaint, as I posted on here, was in effect ignored and then , whether deliberately or not, was treated as if I had merely been making a complaint against a company (RIFC plc) and not against the FCA itself  as possibly having been guilty of illegality.

    [I think we in Scottish Football have had a whiff ourselves of the stench of untruth rising from from the breath of our football governance bodies and certain clubs.

    And, by the Lord Harry, if organisations like the FCA can be suspect- and found out- there's no way little titchy Sports governance bodies will avoid ultimate truth, when proper investigation begins, as it will sooner or later.

    [And whatever else, Bailey   ran a slipshod department that lost correspondence and took weeks to reply to reminders.

    Never would have happened in my department!]broken heart

  43. 'paddy malarkey 19th December 2020 at 11:44

    Why this again ?'


    The development doesn't appear to have been discussed at the last GCC Planning Committee in early December.

    It's likely that someone connected with the proposal (builder, architect etc.) has issued a 'year-end' press release detailing current & future intentions & someone at the Evening (not Glasgow!) Times has published it due to the TRFC association.

    Remember, in modern media, clicks are king!



  44. Very entertaining cup final today.

    Penalties a bit of a lottery, as usual,  as both teams could claim they were worthy of the win.


  45. Jingso.Jimsie 20th December 2020 at 11:41

    Read somewhere that it rears its head again because of a proposal to reduce the parking for the Club Deck from 900 to 450 ,with the club finding alternative spaces elsewhere in the area . Don't know how solid that is .

  46. Can someone tell me why Craig Gordon ( partly supported by ‘Gnaff’ McCann ) is bleating about wrt to the Edouard’s sublime penalty?

    He was simply outwitted, embarrassed, and deservedly booked for kicking the ball at Edouard.

    Severely bruised ego methinks.

    What should we do Craig? Ban flashes of sheer skill and ‘Panenka – like’ penalties to prevent opponents being ‘shown up’

    Go ‘grow a pair’ son!


  47. Fair point, well made Tony!

    I had meant to add to my post that I fear this WOKE culture (!) will be the undoing of those such as me!!

    I’ll check my TDs!

  48. ‘paddy malarkey 21st December 2020 at 10:37

    Jingso.Jimsie 20th December 2020 at 11:41

    Read somewhere that it rears its head again because of a proposal to reduce the parking for the Club Deck from 900 to 450 ,with the club finding alternative spaces elsewhere in the area . Don’t know how solid that is .’


    From memory (and happy to be corrected if wrong), the Safety Case for the operation of the Club Deck is dependant on the car park area being available (even when full of cars!) for evacuation routes in the event of an emergency.

    There seems to have been no move from the builders, Merchant Homes, since submitting details of a ‘proposed’ development, dated 19.03.20, to seeking actual planning permission for the works. In fact, the last update I can find is that Merchant Homes intended to hold a video Public Consultation on 29.05.20. 

    However, further investigation via the GCC Planning Portal shows that TRFC are intending to make changes to car parking arrangements by revising their original 1989 planning permissions. If you’re interested, the relevant reference is 20/03297/MPO. This seems to have been posted on 08.12.20, hence the article in the ET.

  49. The subject of ‘goodwill’  featured in some recent posts ( in relation to ‘negative goodwill’).

     I read in today’s ‘The Scotsman’ an article entitled   “When goodwill is just not goodwill” by Catherine Feechan, a corporate partner at Davidson Chalmers Stewart LLP. [I feel I need to say that in case I might be done for copyright infringement!]

    The case she comments on  [an (English)Appeal Court judgment]  was not to do with a company merely buying[as CG did] some of the assets of a company ‘In Administration’ (which subsequently  went into Liquidation) but with the  more usual ,ordinary ,straightforward  purchase of one company by another.

     I cannot in truth say that the judgment  may have any bearing on anything to do with the Sale and Purchase Agreement under which Big Hands won a watch , buying the assets of Rangers FC (IA) for what seemed to many people,  a knockdown price. 

    But I looked up the judgment anyway ( in furtherance of my own education)

    “24 September 2020 |Court of Appeal/Civil

    Neutral Citation Number: [2020] EWCA Civ 1228

    Case No: A1/2019/2769”

    And apparently, there are TWO different interpretations of the meaning of ‘goodwill’

    The  first party argued that the ordinary commercial meaning was ‘the good name, business, reputation and connections of a business’

    The other party argued that the proper meaning was the accounting definition of ‘goodwill’- ‘a loss of share value where that value represents the difference between the cost of acquisition and the fair value of its identifiable net assets and/or where that loss of share value is caused by the impairment of the value of non-identifiable assets’

    The Appeal Court went with the first party. 

    I have no idea of how to relate that judgment to the price that CG paid for the assets of the doomed( doomed by the administrators by their …by their.. by their ..what? .Ach, but what else other than  by their failure, in spite of every professional effort as Court-appointed  Administrators, to find a buyer to bring RFC plc out of Administration and therefore save it from the footballing death of Liquidation.]What else?

    Murray ran up the debt, Whyte added to the debt and two-fingered  HMRC, and the Administrators  failed in somewhat interesting circumstances to get what many people thought was a decent price for the creditors from the sale of the assets.

    I have often wished that  I were capable of being an Ian Rankin!

    Such fabulous stories might have been written!

  50. Nice to see the thumbs back on the site.

    18 thumbs down for a fairly innocuous post re the cup final and 1 person responding negatively to Cluster One's post re  the BBC's  half time tribute to a 36 year old footballer being struck down by MND!! 

    I know people say the thumbs are not the be all and end all of the site, but come on guys, really?

  51. ‘wottpi 22nd December 2020 at 10:52

    Nice to see the thumbs back on the site.

    18 thumbs down for a fairly innocuous post re the cup final…’


    I don’t use the TD/TU facility, but it’s possible that many/all of the 18 thumbsdooners simply disagree with ‘wottpi’ that it was ‘very entertaining’.

    It was a terrible advert for Scottish football: a poor game which lacked any consistency of quality play from either team, poorly refereed. The BBC commentary was cringeworthy & amateurish.


  52. Jingso.Jimsie 22nd December 2020 at 11:28

    It was a terrible advert for Scottish football: a poor game which lacked any consistency of quality play from either team, poorly refereed…


    I suppose 'beauty lies in the eye of the beholder', but I thought it was a great advert for Scottish football – especially for the neutrals.

    Totally agree that technically, the footy on show wasn't the best – and neither was the match officiating.

    But: 6 goals, a bit of argy bargy, controversial refereeing, individual mistakes, suspect goalkeeping – plus the drama of a penalty shoot out to make history, or not.

    Too many times I have watched the technically gifted EPL 'big games' where the footy on offer was high quality… but boring as hell.

    At least the Scottish Cup Final wasn't a typical, dour and overly defensive 1-0 game?


  53. wottpi

    I am a bit bemused by the number of TD you received wrt to your latest post, but I’m sure that, over your time on here, your thumbs up outscore your thumbs down – so take comfort in that!!

    As for the game, I’m with you and StevieBC – as a Celtic fan, I was, in all  honesty, seriously ‘nervewracked’ in the second half having, rather complacently and smugly, enjoyed a cup of tea at half time.( Hearts could have scored with a header from their final free kick into the box).

    Most neutral (?) watchers would certainly have enjoyed the match – especially Hearts spirited comeback.

    I also had nothing but praise for Robbie Neilson’s post match comments, in which he displayed great maturity and humility amongst the disappointment of losing – unlike serial detractors like Neil ‘ah wiz a useless manager masel’ McCann, whose main contribution was to criticise ‘Panenka’ Edouard .


  54. StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 12:26

    bect67 22nd December 2020 at 12:50

    Agree, if people aren't happy with six goals in a cup final encounter that went to extra time and a nerve wracking penalty shoot out then what is it that floats their boat?

    Thinking back, by the end of it I had forgotten there was no crowd in Hampden and was wholly absorbed unlike some games I've watched in these strange times.

    OK so the quality was questionable and the result didn't go the way of my team but for me this is what sport should be about. If Celtic had taken it to 3-0 in the second half and strolled to the end of the game, no-one would have even remembered the game next week, let alone years to come. 

    Quadruple trebles, Hamilton winning F1 at a canter, etc  are to be admired and respected but I'd say it isn't always 'entertaining'.

  55. Like some others on here I thought the BBC commentary on Sunday's Cup Final was abysmal. The commentator's main aim seemed to be how much data he could present. When play was flowing he continually ignored it to give us facts about past games and player's statistics. He must have a good "Football Facts at Your Fingertips" book and constantly referred to it to show off his knowledge.
    He and his co commentator had little conversations among themselves like 2 supporters at a match. 

    I, as a Celtic supporter, don't accuse them of bias, just of incompetent and boring commentary. I believe most watchers want the commentator to tell us the name of the player on the ball, especially of the opposition of whom we are not familiar, and give their opinion of controversial decisions. This fact based and conversational commentary is so boring, in my opinion of course. It is in fact creeping in with many commentators. Oh for the late great Rugby man, Bill McLaren who knew how to commentate on a game with no bias whatsoever even when his beloved Scotland was playing.

  56. Extract from the BBC:

    shirley, Blatter wasn't planning on a return to football next year…?!


    "Fifa has lodged a criminal complaint against former president Sepp Blatter over the finances of a museum in Zurich, Switzerland.

    The complaint relates to the involvement of Blatter and other former officials in the Fifa museum project.

    It is the latest allegation of financial impropriety against Blatter, who resigned from his post as president in 2015 amid a corruption scandal.

    The 84-year-old has always denied any wrongdoing.

    Blatter is currently serving a six-year ban from all forms of football."



  57. StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 22:06

    ‘..”Fifa has lodged a criminal complaint against former president Sepp Blatter ..’


    By the purest coincidence, StevieBC, I have just this minute stopped searching on the internet for an answer to the question: “in Scotland, are prosecutions for fraud time-barred?’

    As far as I can make out, the answer seems to be  that, as fraud is common law offence, they are not.

    So, for example, if investigation today found that there were enough  grounds for believing that a number of years ago a football governance body had been party to a deceit that, say, enabled a football club in financial distress within its jurisdiction to obtain , say, a few million quid to which it was not ,under the rules, entitled, from  a higher level of  football governance body, there would be no bar on prosecution of those involved in the deceit, no matter that eight years had elapsed.

    I for some reason was cheered by that. 

    As regards Blatter, he is of course innocent of any crime unless and until the prosecution proves his guilt. 

    As of course would be any individual or governance body or football club if any criminal charges were brought against them.broken heart

     [Incidentally, I recently watched on  netflix? bbc umpteen? sky this or that ?or some of the bloody myriad of tV options that there are now, a version of ‘An Inspector Calls’.

    What fun, changing the domestic, family members scene to a scene set in a Board-room ,with the Inspector showing various directors not a photograph but a copy of an email!]

    I assert my rights, btw, to that theme as the germ of a theatrical drama! There could be millions in it!broken heart


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